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Captain America: Civil War

Spoilers for Cap 3 (long-ish and has critique. If you are in a squeeful place this is not the commentary for you.)

Liked it, didn’t love it. Will gleefully mine it for stuff I can use in stories I probably won’t write.

1. Tony having that 3 minute speech about dead kids then recruiting 14 year old Spiderman. Really? I feel like this is a collision of RDJ shoehorning himself into a movie and making it about him and then being one-upped by the Marvel-Sony Spiderman heist. (RDJ of course gets the last laugh because he’s officially been added to the cast of Spiderman:Homecoming.) But the utter hypocrisy of that speech is just breathtaking, especially given that we are told over and over that he feels baaaaad about all the people killed with Stark tech.

2. As some great meta pointed out:
a. New York? Not the Avengers fault. Steve’s been awake for what? 10 days at that point. Wanda’s still being a teenage in Sokovia. Vision doesn’t exist. Etc.
b. DC? Yeah, terrible thing when someone stops your evil spy satellite network that was going to kill millions of people a second.
c. Sokovia? You mean the one that was all Stark’s fault for his stupid protect the world plan because he’s paranoid and no one has the ability to take his toys away from him? Where is the evil Pepper mastermind novel because I’d read the shit out of that. We see what happens every time you take away Tony’s support system.
d. Laos? Right because letting a biohazard out into the world for wherever Rumlow was going to sell it was a better idea.
This is more about pinning the blame on the group they could find than actually holding the Avengers responsible for anything. I have a pet theory about the Accords and that given the paperwork involved it was actually the new and improved WSC pulling the strings behind the scenes to basically recruit the Avengers to Hydra (no, it didn’t work but they didn’t really need it to, they just needed to make the Avengers bad guys to the public).

3. The press tour and the trailers and preview material kept talking about how Steve is now a guy with shades of gray but I didn’t actually see that change. The guy who went behind enemy lines for Bucky Barnes and ran the commandoes however the hell he pleased and then took down Hydra against Director Fury’s wishes (like Nick couldn’t have stopped him if he really wanted to?) didn’t change. He’s more cynical, sure, but even in TWS when he has that talk with Peggy about following orders you know he knows better about himself than that.

4. I just don’t see the nuance in Tony in this movie. He’s a screaming tantrum from beginning to end. It’s all about him and his control issues or lack thereof. Why hasn’t anyone just shot him yet?

5. That said, Steve, you’re a stupid man. Stubborn as fuck and about a subtle as a freight train. At least your characterization is consistent even if all you did was react to things throughout the movie. I didn’t see you make a single choice that wasn’t forced on you by events. Maybe get some therapy for that?

6. Sam was awesome.

7. T’Challa was amazing. Talk about an origin story crammed into someone else’s movie. That was some brilliant storytelling and so very well done. You can tell that when left alone the writers did some good work there.

8. Spiderman got the most laughs at both the screenings I went to. It’s going to be a popular movie and I’m glad they’re actually going back to his true roots. Not going tho because quipy movies are not my thing and it felt like such a jarring shoe-horned in moment (which, it totally was).

9. Bucky. This is the Bucky I wanted an expected and hoped for. Well done there. Too bad it’s going to get drowned out by everything else.

10. Where did the women go in this movie? Natasha shows up and vanishes. She’s not there after the airport battle at all, really. Felt really odd there was no closure for her. Sharon felt like half a storyline too that got cut for time or as the virtual closet from which to dispense stuff to the heroes.

11. I liked Wanda in this and am interested to see where they take her. Her interactions with Clint were great. Her interactions with Vision creeped me the fuck out. She’s legit a teenager and he just floats through her walls and then tries to woo her with food and then keeps her locked in the house? In any other movie with a regular dude of Paul Bettany’s age and every review would be screeching about it. Ugh. (Which is too bad because handled right the Vision and Wanda romance and plotline in the comics is cool.)

12. Zemo worked for me and I can’t wait to see what else he has in mind now that he’s been very much put back in play. I don’t buy the suicide attempt for a second.

13. There was a lot of stuff I liked in the movie and I’d love to know what the script was like before it became Civil War because I can almost piece together what it might have been.

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CA:CW, the reaction

laporcupina:

Okay, so this turned into War and Peace. Which should perhaps surprise nobody who reads my fic.

As mentioned last night, I greatly enjoyed Captain America: Civil War in the moment – it’s tremendous fun, with wit and action and competency – but I have notes:

* I think we’re going to have to change the jargon from “getting jossed” to “getting russoed” because the Brothers Russo destroyed more fanon in one movie than Whedon ever did.

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This is exactly my problem with the movie.

SPOILERS –

I just don’t buy Tony’s reaction to the video at the end. I understand why the filmmakers thought they were doing a good job of setting it up but it just doesn’t work for me. I’m waiting for the story that sells me on it because the movie didn’t.

Well

Someone posted a Civil War fix it on AO3 and the feed for the pairing (of course) picked it up. And the summary of said story definitely gives away the ending. Yay?

I suggest unsubscribing from feeds until you’ve seen the movie.

lostromanianpuppy:

[SOURCE FOR ARTICLE]

Original article in Chinese, translation into English (please excuse any mistakes, full translation under the cut):

Interviewer: Who is the funniest in private?
Sebastian Stan: [points to Chris Evans] He and Anthony (Falcon) tie for first.
Chris Evans: Mackie (Falcon) is first. Mackie is especially funny. He bring a lot of positive energy to set. Always laughing, always joking (telling funny stories). Paul (Antman) is also really funny. But Don (War Machine) is also amusing. Don is like a breath of fresh air. He always has a smile on his face. But Mackie is the most unique.

I: I asked Anthony the same question, he said Paul and Sebastian.
CE: [looks at Sebastian] Oh ho~~~
SS: Anthony and I have a great relationship.

I: China has a classic question regarding relationships between people, which is if two people you care about fall into the water, who do you rescue? So, if Iron Man and Bucky both find themselves in danger at the same time, who would Captain America save first?
CE: Oh haha, I think that he would save Bucky, definitely. Because the two of them have many years of friendship. Bucky is his friend from childhood. Bucky took care of him when he needed help.

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