A.K.A. Steve Rogers, Fandom Bicycle 2k15
A Steve/Everybody fanvid set to ‘Gold Trans Am’ by Ke$ha. Because reasons. Many reasons.
Also posted on AO3 here
Happy late holidays avcay!
EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS VID IS UTTERLY DELIGHTFUL. Run, don’t walk, people.
The editing on this is PRICELESS
drop-deaddream hopenight stuckystan YALL NEED TO FUCKING SEE THIS
(Also, I read the pugilists for the first time all of twenty minutes ago so like, that was a lot)I LOST IT at 0:36
Tag: captain america
New York City, 1941-42, in color.
The trio of photos in the second row are of the Lower East Side, so if you want to see what Howard Stark’s old neighborhood looked like (well after he put it behind him), here it is in all its yiddishkeit glory.
The last picture is of Cooper Union, which is my personal headcanon for Steve’s art school (in Cum Laude especially), so here’s what it looked like when he would have been attending. It looks the same now, 😉
The photos are part of a large trove at Indiana University’s Cushing collection. The NYC ones are of very specific parts of the city, almost entirely lower Manhattan in the peripheries — the docks, the Bowery, the LES — but are worth going through.
Chronically ill Steve Rogers
(The images in this should be collapsed to begin with because, well, one of them is a plate of raw meat that Steve is presumably eating for breakfast. The last image is a gif. Contains discussion of illness, treatments, ableism and eugenics. I should point out first that I don’t have any of these conditions other than asthma.)
So many fics focus only on skinny Steve’s asthma and portray him as being as minimally disabled as possible. Let’s just remember that according to all the various sources (the Disneyland poster, the form Steve hands in to enlist in the film) that Steve:
- Had astigmatism – so he’d’ve had poor eye sight. I’ve also seen sources that say Steve is colour blind although I couldn’t find them again for writing this or to check what kind of colour blind Steve could be – it could be anything from red-green colour blindness to trichromatic colour blindness, but I’m not sure.
- Had scoliosis – this is where the spine bends in a way that isn’t part of the typical S-shaped curve, so his spine would’ve bent to the side. It’s not a life threatening condition but it can be quite noticeable and I’ve not seen a single fic that’s taken it into account.
- Was partially deaf. Again, I’ve never read a fic that mentions anyone speaking up for Steve to hear.
- Had arrhythmia, an irregular heartbeat; he also had heart palpitations, high blood pressure and the more generic heart trouble. I’ve also seen something saying he had angina, chest pain caused by restricted blood supply to the heart muscles.
- He also had rheumatic fever at some point which causes red ring-like rashes on the limbs and can affect the brain, joints and heart – which given Steve already had heart problems is not a good thing. It affects older children up to the mid teens. It is treated with aspirin – which is hard on the stomach and unfortunately for little Steve, he also has:
- Stomach ulcers. These are extremely painful and can be caused or made worse by drugs like aspirin. Stomach ulcers can be very dangerous if complications arise.
- Another stomach complication Steve had was pernicious anaemia, which until the 20s was basically a death sentence. It’s a condition where an enzyme necessary to absorb vitamin B12 is not produced and the patient becomes progressively more anaemic until they suffer complications such as neurological damage or simply die (hence the word “pernicious”). Until 1928 the only treatment was to drink copious quantities of the juice from raw liver (more than a pint a day) or eat half a pound of raw liver a day, which contains the enzyme (cooking would destroy the enzyme). From ‘28, Steve was presumably relieved to hear, a liver extract was produced so that the quantity of liver juice one had to drink was 50x less and was also cheaper. The other symptoms were pretty much the same as other kinds of anaemia.
What do you mean you aren’t hungry?- Steve also had flat feet (less serious but with everything else this kid isn’t running anywhere)
- He had scarlet fever as a child, which causes a sore throat, bright red rash, and can kill – especially as it can cause heart complications.
- Steve’s mother was diabetic- his admission form states that he has a parent or sibling with diabetes, and since it’s automatic disqualification from the army and he has no siblings, that means it must be his mother (unless you don’t think Steve’s dad served in the army at all and he’s just lying to serve with Bucky.) Steve has a higher risk for diabetes. This in itself isn’t going to limit him at this stage in the proceedings, but it doesn’t make him popular with eugenicists either.
- Generally his respiratory system is struggling – he gets sinusitis and frequent colds to go along with his…
- Asthma.
Asthma can be pretty dangerous especially for someone with a heart condition, since symptoms of a severe attack can include arrhythmia. In the 1930s, inhalers were difficult for one person to use (especially if that one person was having an asthma attack), but asthma cigarettes were easily available, considerably cheaper, and hallucinogenic. They did work to a degree, but were nothing compared to today’s relievers. There were also dry powder inhalers, and if you could get hold of one, atomizers and electronic nebulizers for delivering medication.
Beyond this, in the 30s, 40s and 50s, asthma was considered a psychosomatic condition – an imagined product of mental illness due to the child crying inside the sufferer during an attack – so talking therapy was used as treatment as well. Steve would’ve been considered both physically frail and mentally ill because of his asthma.- Really, it isn’t a surprise that to go with this he has “nervous trouble“ and suffers from fatigue – hell, it’s tiring just to be Steve. It’s also no wonder that he’s so small, given that his body was under so much stress whilst he was growing.
So what does this all mean for little Steve? Pre-serum Steve is chronically ill from birth or childhood, probably due to complications in birth or his earlier illnesses (there seem to be a lot of things happening in his respiratory system and stomach), and some of which is evidence of what at the time would be considered poor genetics.
People often associate eugenics with the Nazis, but its real home is rooted in the 20th century USA, and it was in full swing in the 20s and 30s. Many German eugenics research programs received their finding from the US before the war. Although as a white man living in New York Steve would’ve been safe from forcible sterilisation or euthanasia, public sentiment was overwhelmingly supportive of casting anyone framed as a dependent on the state or a fault in the gene pool cast out.
Eugenics was legal and mandated, and whilst Steve was growing up, thousands of impoverished women and state dependent children, especially women of colour and mentally ill women were forcibly sterilised by the state, and many people living in mental institutions or care homes were allowed to die of neglect.
His mother’s death due to TB would also have made him a target for this kind of thinking – in fact, tuberculosis was used as a method for targeting those with “inferior” genetics (whilst “superior” individuals would supposedly be immune) for euthanasia for eugenics purposes – in one mental institution, new patients were given infected milk to kill off those susceptible.
Ironically, Captain America and the superserum are essentially an experiment in eugenics, which really reflects just how widespread this attitude was in the 40s. I’m analysing Steve for purposes of fic writing and not any genuine critical analysis here, but there’s no getting away from it: they put a chronically ill, disabled man in, and they get a genetically engineered super-soldier out.
Steve actually surviving both rheumatic and scarlet fever with asthma, heart problems and no antibiotics is pretty much a miracle in itself at this stage, and I guess we should all be grateful that Sarah Rogers was a nurse, because things like half decent atomizers to treat asthma were expensive and hard to obtain.
When Bucky is talking about Steve having nothing to prove, he’s not just talking about a small guy who is too sickly to join the army – he’s talking about someone who would’ve been considered an invalid and unworthy among his peers and made to feel like a dependent all of his life. Steve has to prove everything to everyone except Bucky, the only person who values Steve for himself and not against criteria of fitness or health, and most of all he needs to prove to himself that the things he’s internalised about himself aren’t true.
tl;dr: Basically, it’s time to start portraying Steve accurately in fic and stop glossing over aspects of his health that aren’t as fun to write as an asthma attack.
Post-serum, he also probably still retains a great many reflexive habits. He probably wakes up in the morning and has to remind himself he’s huge and healthy. He probably has a hard time interacting with the chronically ill and disabled, because he was that way until recently, but he also got his science magic cure that nobody else gets.
I wonder if there’s room in MCU fics to write about Clint’s partial deafness from the comics, and have Steve be a part of the discussion. Or maybe…
Steve looked over the line of tablets on display. He remembered when “computer” described a human being, but a little experimenting with the floor models proved there was nothing to worry about. The devices were very intuitive, much more so than machines he had dealt with… well, was it nearly seventy years ago, or was it just a couple? He was never quite sure how to think about his personal timeline.
"You’re, uh, picking that up faster than I’d’ve expected,” observed Peter. “No offense, Ca- sir- Steve?”
The teen fumbled over what to call him. They’d met through Stark, who had offered the boy a job, both in costume and out of it. And for Peter, there was no question it was still a costume. He hadn’t made it a uniform, and Steve was hoping to keep it that way. Stark was hoping that the young Parker could help “Rip Van Winkle” acclimate to modern times, as he had put it.
“I’m not in uniform. Just Steve is fine, Peter,” Steve smiled that crowd-pleasing smile. “Contrary to what Mr. Stark thinks, I’m actually pretty interested in all of this. I think he needs to learn that ‘old’ doesn’t mean ‘old-fashioned’.”
Peter stammered an acknowledgement, and then reached up, bringing a finger to the bridge of his nose, and blinked in surprise before flushing ever so slightly (so little that anyone without enhanced senses probably wouldn’t have noticed), and looking away. Ah.
“It’s really the other things that are tricky to get used to,” he said, nodding to Peter. “Like… I keep squinting to see stuff that’s far away, even though…”
“You-” Peter looked up, startled. “You, oh! Wow, I didn’t- I mean, me too, yeah.”
“Some old habits, you know?” Steve looked into the distance for a moment, though he wasn’t sure what he was looking for. Maybe just to remind himself that he could? He looked back, and down to the tablet in his hands. “Say, I was wondering, could I use the stylus to draw on this?”
“A strong will can fuel a frail physique.” -Ra’s al-Ghul (supposedly quoting Napoleon)
Just a little addendum from a person with a different kind of scoliosis
Aside from the typical depictions of scoliosis where one shoulder lies lower than the other or the spine is bend in an odd shape, there is also another type that features rotation of the vertebrae. Usually affects those closer to the tail-end of the spine and can exist in 4 stages ranging from barely noticeable to disabling. It’s measured in degrees of rotation.
Basically your spine twists its components at unnatural angles CW or CCW and since the ribs are attached to the vertebrae they also twist, often warping or stressing internal organs(like guess what-the lungs and the heart as if Steve didn’t suffer from enough shit). It also puts unnecessary stress on the muscles.
It is treatable nowadays, via exercises in stage 1 and straightening corsets in stage 2-3(I’m not sure about 4-I think medical intervention is needed) but I have no information on treatments back in the day.
So this is another possibility to consider when you’re writing skinny!Steve.
marvel character guide: steve rogers / captain america
“Ghost of the past.”
Finally finished this.
I just can’t make Steve’s face right I give up.
You know, as much as I think Sebastian’s reactions are hilarious, the mainstream entertainment media’s unified insistence that Bucky is the villain fucking scares me. Not only is it grade A+ unquestioning victim-blaming, they’re also doing exactly what Hydra wanted them to do. Scapegoat the Winter Soldier, so that people won’t think about the actual villain aka Pierce.
Pierce, the middle-aged white man in a position of government power.
You can’t tell me this isn’t deliberate.
The part that scares me even more about this is – I wonder how much of this is conscious? Because if they don’t even recognize what they are doing, and I’m betting most of them don’t, that is terrifying to the next level.
#steve’s wardrobe is the very first evidence of bad characterisation vs good characterisation (x)
ok but no. steve in the first gif is trying to feel comfortable in a strange world., still wearing things that are familiar. pleated pants and plaid shirts tucked in and belts.
steve in the second gif has had time in the world. he has learned to be comfortable in tshirts and blue jeans. These are two different characters, for all that they’re both steve rogers, and both of them are accurate and correct.
I both agree and disagree with everything said above. I disagree that it’s as simple as bad characterization vs good characterization – first of all, in the first gif, those are clothes Steve picked out for himself, presumably. In the second? He’s incognito. He’s on the run. Given his druthers, he’d much rather be in a white t-shirt, jeans, and a leather jacket. His taste in clothes between the two movies hasn’t changed one bit. You see him on his bike during his Sadness Errands, or at the end in the graveyard?
Simple, durable, utilitarian. Everything that a button-up shirt and pleated pants would have been in the 40s. His “style”, such as it exists, is exactly the same. The only time he wears something different is when he’s on the run with Natasha and trying not to look like himself.
In Avengers I do agree he’s trying to hold on to something with his clothing choices, where and how he works out, and the way his apartment is furnished. The look of his apartment, in fact, doesn’t change all that much between films – even though it’s been two years and they’re in two different cities. He still prefers a turntable, still keeps his furnishings modest and his colors muted. But honestly? How much of that was Joss Whedon’s characterization and how much was the stylist and set designer, I don’t know.
I hate 80% of the way Whedon writes Steve. He doesn’t get him. I hate that Whedon doesn’t have him engaging far more personally with Bruce Banner, the one person who probably could reach Steve himself other than Natasha. Banner is in his situation in part because of Steve, or at least that’s how it’s presented, and that would be something that Captain America takes personally. He of all people would see Bruce as human first, risk factor second. He would see Tony as a bully, not as as someone “putting the ship at risk.”
And for god’s sake, when has Steve ever been one to follow orders? When has he ever counseled others to do so? When has he ever been satisfied with just knowing and doing what he’s being told? Oh, I’m not supposed to try and enlist in the army multiple times or falsify my enlistment papers? Too bad, I’m gonna anyway. Oh, you say the prisoners are behind the lines and that Bucky is probably dead? Well, let’s prove it. Let’s see. He’s a commander. A good man. Not a good soldier. Winter Soldier gets that about him. Never for a moment does he go in not questioning authority. Never for a moment does he look at his superior officers and say “Okay, we’re good, I trust you.”
There’s also the fact that he has two different “faces”. His institutional persona and his personal one. When he’s Captain America, he’s solid, he’s implacable, he doesn’t share his feelings and he doesn’t voluntarily leave himself open to ridicule or derision. Whedon writes Steve as broadcasting his insecurities in an institutionalized space (“I understood that reference”) as though he would joke when he’s representing the shield and the people who helped him obtain it. He might ask what a reference means, but to interrupt with the fact that oh hey for a moment he actually understands what’s going on? No. (Can you tell I hate that line I really hate that line.)
He’s an icon in those moments. He’s not just Steve Rogers. He can’t be. He needs to be better than he is, and Joss Whedon never writes him as though he understands the distinction. He doesn’t get the division between the selves that Steve has – his institutional persona and his personal internal life.
It’s different when Steve’s in one-on-one emergency battle mode with Tony (“It seems to run on some kind of electricity.”) There, it fits. There, it’s Steve being Steve. When he jokes with Erskine during project rebirth, or tells Peggy that girls don’t want to dance with someone they might step on – it’s all one-on-one, with people he respects and to some degree trusts or admires. Erskine is a friend and a person who gave him the chance of a lifetime. Peggy is someone who is never shown looking down on him before that point, only reacting positively when Steve is… well, himself.
Steve as Captain America does not show weakness in the face of the institution. If he makes a joke, it’s to mock power, not expose himself to critique from it. He’s never insecure, always ready. It’s only in his personal life where his shyness, his self-depreciation, his social anxiety come out. The spaces where he’s not sure of the rules, of whether there’s an absolute Right or Wrong placed there by his moral code and his belief in what a soldier and a hero should be.
Steve is not as simple as clothing choices, no, but he’s also not the man that Whedon writes, and I really really dislike that about Avengers.
there's no fear in my eyes where they lookin' at





