Bucky Parallels The First Avenger vs The Winter Soldier (the bridge scenes in particular kill me).
Tag: ca:tws
More Winter Soldier meta thoughts
Okay, here is another thing. Based on CA:TWS – The Winter Soldier largely sucks at the job they gave him. The job that HYDRA threw him at. No, wait hear me out.
It’s not discussed much in the MCU except in very elided terms (yay, movies and narrative) but it’s pretty clear if you fill in the…
So after more thought (and a few fan fic stories that point it out) I’ve come to realize that Pierce is still monumentally wasteful but for slightly different reasons.
He clearly thinks/feels he can throw away the Winter Soldier (Asset) after this mission because once Project Insight goes live he won’t need a high maintenance, low return rate to do the dirty work. Why would he need someone that travels when he can push a button in DC to make it happen?
And here is where I still think that’s probably stupid. We don’t as an audience know how effective Project Insight will be. If there are any possible counter measures that can stop it. Based on the immediate targets we know that they were looking on taking out Tony Stark in the first wave – and he’s our most likely candidate in the MCU to be able to come up with an effective response to it which means they are either being smart or they were nervous or both about his capabilities.
It’s Pierce putting all of his evil empire eggs in one basket. I mean, it does make the Death Star look like good planning – it was very clear in the movies that the giant black space station was meant as a propaganda tool – and the helicarriers aren’t. That thought may fall apart with more reflection but we’ll see.
Anyway, I think Pierce is believing in his own press and that of the people around him way too much, fortunately for Cap and his merry band.
Really! I am!
Timeline – MCU – one of them anyway
For my own sanity (hah) here is the collective nerd timeline.
according to the marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia which made me go WHAAAA a bunch of times and then ww.tiki-toki.com
Nov 1940 – Schmidt becomes Red Skull
Dec 7, 1941 – Pearl Harbor
Dec 24, 1941 – Rogers gets his first F4, Barnes enlists.
June 14, 1943 – World Expo happens, Barnes leaves for Europe.
June 22, 1943 – Rogers goes through Vita-Ray experiment.
October 1943 – Howling Commandos meet as POWs
Nov 3/9, 1943 – HC rescued by Captain America
Dec 1943-May 1945- HC rage across Europe
‘sometime in 1945 Bucky falls’/ Tiki says this happens May 5, 1945
May 7, 1945 – Cap crashes into the ice
May 1946 – Agent Carter appointed head of new agency, SHIELD (Agent Carter short)
1963 – Howard Stark begins development on Arc Reactor
Dec 16, 1991 – Howard and Maria Stark die
May 10, 1992 – Tony takes over Stark Industries
Jan 2006 – Banner’s failed Gamma Experiment – Hulk is created.
May – Aug 2009 – Stark captured by Ten Rings (Iron Man 1 starts)
Oct 25, 2009 – ‘I am Iron Man’ press conference. (Iron Man 1 ends)
2010 – Iron Man 2 happens (gah that movie)
May 10-14, 2010 – Thor 1 happens
May 16, 2010 – Hulk breaks Harlem
April 17, 2012 – Cap wakes up in NYC/ Tiki date April 23, 2011
May 1, 2012 – PEGASUS blows up, Loki arrives
May 2, 2012 – Steve debates calling Peggy, then gets offered the Avengers Init by Fury
May 4, 2012 – Battle of New York
May 5, 2012 – Loki sent home
Dec 23, 2012 – Tony’s house in Malibu is blow up, Stark is believed dead (Iron Man 3 starts)
Dec 25, 2012 – The Killian fight.
Dec 27, 2012 – Stark undergoes surgery to remove the arc reactor (Iron Man 3 ends)
Jan 6, 2013 – Tony tells Bruce all about his trauma (aka the recounting of Iron Man 3)
Sept 24, 2013 – AOS starts. Ward assigned to Coulson’s team
Oct 30, 2013 /Nov 1- The Convergence begins (Thor 2), Thor and Jane reunite.
Nov 4, 2013 – Battle of Greenwich (tiki toki timeline not updated after this point)
Jan 21/22 2014 – Sif visits earth
March 31, 2014 – Sitwell ordered to the Lemurian Star, Steve meets Sam Wilson, Batroc fight. (CA:TWS starts)
April 2, 2014 – Pierce questions Rogers about Fury. Visit to Camp Leheigh.
April 4, 2014 – Battle of the Triskelion. HYRDA orders its agents to take over any SHIELD facility they can.
April 5, 2014 – SHIELD declared a terrorist organization by USG.
April 6, 2014 – Natasha Romanoff and Maria Hill attend senate hearings.
April 9, 2014 – Coulson appointed director of SHIELD (end of AOS, S1)
April 10, 2014 – Cap meets with Fury, graveside. Cap starts the search for Winter Soldier.
April 11, 2014 – CA:TWS tag scenes happen – Baron von Strucker visits with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. James Barnes visits the Smithsonian.
Pierce knows who the asset is and hates Steve Rogers
Yep, more WS meta.
So based on the bank vault scene ‘but I knew him’ it’s clear to both Pierce and the technicians (and Rumlow) that the asset is Bucky Barnes, zombie best friend of Steve Rogers. And having had to put up with Steve’s stubborn ass in SHIELD for the last few years, if only indirectly, I think there is a part of him that definitely wants to break Steve. The showdown scene in Pierce’s office is part pro-forma and part exposition. Schmidt and Zola couldn’t sway Steve Rogers, he has to try. He tries, knowing he will fail and his ego just can’t handle it.
Pierce’s ego is what drives the earlier timeline in launching the helicarriers. He’s the Red Skull for the 21st century. The bombast saved for a smaller audience.
And using Bucky is the best way to break Steve Rogers. He makes the defeat personal for the final confrontation. He wants Steve to know exactly what they’ve done to Bucky. That they’ve wiped out his best friend and turned him into an enemy. It’s a brilliant bit of mind-fuckery even if in the end it doesn’t work.
‘Captain America: The Winter Soldier’ art book, 2014.
More Winter Soldier meta thoughts
Okay, here is another thing. Based on CA:TWS – The Winter Soldier largely sucks at the job they gave him. The job that HYDRA threw him at. No, wait hear me out.
It’s not discussed much in the MCU except in very elided terms (yay, movies and narrative) but it’s pretty clear if you fill in the holes from the comics that Bucky’s job is largely sabotage and assasination. They use him as a destabilizer, a ghost. And then they take this weapon and try to use it like a BFG. It’s such an odd choice for a group that’s supposed to be that smart, that they turn around and basically use this extremely expensive and specialized tool as a blunt instrument – and it’s not stupid people that do it, it’s people that are theoretically cunning.
It makes me want to write the backstory and fill in what tipped Pierce’s hand early enough to essentially throw away a tool like that on what was probably going to be a one time use, maybe twice if the odds end up in his favor. [Fury wanting to delay Insight is clearly part of it but I’m wondering why after decades of planning what was so critical about that moment that he wasn’t willing to spend a few more years and get around Fury instead of what he did which is force everything forward and did it badly.] [Yes, I know villains are supposed to have Moments of Stupid™ to advance the plot but really?]
So here is my thinking that maybe backs the bad at the job they sent him to do:
1. He’s deployed out against Fury. He blows up the SUV but Fury gets away. It’s broad daylight. It’s uncontrolled space in the middle of an urban center. It’s against a high profile (media profile: you can’t tell me Fury has avoided television with SHIELD going public and that big building on the Potomac) high value target. This is not how you do business, at least not typically. Who were they going to blame it on?
[There is an implied missing scene that I haven’t seen in fic yet. WS tracking Fury to Steve’s apartment. It’s clearly the same day/evening. WS needed Steve to turn on the light (maybe?) to positively site the target because the shot comes seconds later after more talking to define the location.]
2. He’s sent out to shoot Fury and doesn’t kill him – now this one could be argued that this was some kind of plan to draw out Captain America and forward HYDRA’s plans but at least on the surface, he didn’t kill the guy. [This one is complicated because of the double blind of Fury ‘dying’ but not dying.] He almost gets caught by Cap. This ghost assassin that is a rumor and legend in the intelligence community for 50 years. In an urban environment that is loaded with cameras [yes, we’ll ignore the inconsistency that SHIELD wants all the cameras and twitter to track down Cap in the last third of the movie but they don’t use it to get a positive ID on WS for the rest of the film *handwave*]
3. He’s sent out to stop Cap and the Black Widow on the highway overpass. He gets part of the job done and then the cops/STRIKE team come out and finish it. Again, we have another direct conflict which is such an odd choice. Dude is a sniper, and metal arm notwithstanding close combat skills and distance skills are not things that normally are found in the same person. [Yes, it’s comic books but Cap is the exception to the rule there too – he’s got the Shield for his distance weapon and he’s a brawler. It’s not common. Extreme short range, short range, long range, extreme long range. These are your archtypes and in real world weapon design this is one of those places where you can’t cheat.] [That said, they gave WS the metal arm which is clearly for short range beat the shit out of things but who else but another ‘super’ is going to even going to be able to compete with that? He can cave in metal, an unaltered human doesn’t stand a chance but why bother getting that close if you have a sniper rifle?]
Here is where I say that I think they did WS a bit of a disservice and didn’t show us that he’s a tactical thinker like we saw Bucky being in TFA. You can imply it if you squint with him asking for a different weapon and deploying the team a certain way in the overpass battle and if you really squint you might be able to say he planned the Fury attack, chose the sniper secondary attack but we don’t know if he has that much capability/will in the movie. It simply isn’t said in any concrete way at all.
4. He’s sent out to do a head to head battle with Cap to finish it all. To me this really is Pierce writing off WS as a tool and an asset. Even if WS wins the fight and takes Cap down and that is by no means a given, he doesn’t trust the tool not to break given how fast the conditioning was breaking down.
Pierce is the guy who literally doesn’t care what anything costs. He shoots his housekeeper because she saw the WS. He throws away a tool that’s had hundreds of hours of work and who knows how much money and technology poured into it all to take over the world. Each of the moments with Pierce builds a picture for you about the way he dehumanizes everything around him.
tldr- they took a precision made tool and turned it into the bluntest hammer and set it loose on the highest, nastiest setting they could. It was literally such a waste of resources.
What kills me about this is Bucky doesn’t WANT to die. That look isn’t rage or defiance or even resignation, that’s legitimate fear. The man who was broken and turned into death itself doesn’t want to die. This isn’t the reaction you expect from someone who has up to this point been a killing machine. He looks trapped and scared and YOUNG. It’s a look you didn’t even seen on Bucky when he WAS young. He thinks Steve is coming over to finish him, I mean it’s what HE would do. But for someone so intimately acquainted with death, he’s scared of it. Because all he’s known of people for the last 70 years is pain and abuse and it’s a look that expects more from Steve because that’s what people DO to him. People hurt him when he doesn’t function right and he KNOWS he’s not functioning right and if Steve doesn’t kill him, HYDRA will because he’s past his expiration date of usefulness and he’s failing…
But Bucky’s a survivor. He’s got more resilience than any other character is asked for. His drive is to live. When the machine is broken enough that a little bit of Bucky can get back through, even in the midst of an existential crisis and confused and frustrated, that bit of Bucky wants to live.
That’s what Sebastian brought to the character. He brought the humanity in the machine. The victim trapped in metal and leather who doesn’t WANT to be there. Who’s NOT a stone cold assassin. Who was kind and gentle and protective, not a death weapon. The part who has no idea why this was done to him and didn’t deserve any of it and is so confused as to why people are HURTING him.
The Winter Soldier is terrifying because Sebastian let you see the humanity in him. The part of him that we know would never be choosing to do what HYDRA made him do. They broke him and twisted him and he had no choice in the matter. Nothing that was done to him was deserved. Bucky’s tragic because he was the innocent victim who wasn’t just abused and had terrible things happen to him, but who was literally turned into his worst nightmare and who couldn’t do anything about it.
Tell me again that Bucky was the villain.
Here is the thing for me though – you can’t discount what the war did to him. You have to go back further. You have to go back to the kid in Brooklyn who made a choice to defend those unable to defend themselves. That kid went to war (setting aside the argument of drafted versus enlisted). He went to war well enough with his skills that he was a sergeant before he entered an active European campaign. He did well enough in Europe that he became a squad leader which means he was still that kid from Brooklyn who takes care of others and does what needs to be done.
The US Army and the War and the Life Before twisted James Buchanan Barnes into a shape that was ripe for cracking open by HYDRA. The potential was there all along.
The Winter Soldier was always in Bucky and Bucky was always inside the Winter Soldier.
Sam Wilson was an NCO, not an officer
Have to get this off my chest, because I see Sam called Major a lot.
Pararescueman (Sometimes called Parajumpers or PJs) in the USAF, which we’re told Sam was, is an enlisted position. Sam Wilson was a non-commissioned officer – I’m gonna guess he was at least a Sergeant…
Probably an E7 by the time he got out.