Whedon didn’t puppet-ify Clint in the first draft, but it ran too long and there were too many characters to introduce so he dropped Barton, along with big chunks of Steve’s storyline, which might be why characterization seems off? idk

ink-phoenix:

I heard about that re: Clint, and it is unfortunate. But I doubt Steve’s characterization was off because of that. Because the moments where the characterization is the most OCC are carefully crafted plot points, which I don’t believe could’ve been mitigated by any amount of deleted scenes.

Now don’t get me wrong — I like The Avengers. I like the movie. I think it accomplished an AMAZING feat, it handles so many characters, and it has to go through so many channels and rewrites and approvals that things will fall through the cracks. It’s still a fantastic film even with what I find problematic about it. I can love something and still pick it apart, and demand more from the creators. Demand better.

I ultimately don’t think Whedon understands Steve Rogers, and doesn’t understand his relationship with Tony. He’s made it abundantly clear. And as someone who grew up with 616, that has always bothered me. There are a lot of other things that bother me about him, and a lot of other things that bother me about AOU, but you know. I’m trying to be as optimistic and supportive o AOU as I can — cautiously so. But I make an effort not to pass negative judgement until I’ve seen something, so we’ll see in 2015. 🙂

At the risk of oversimplifing the problem I wonder if Whedon leaned too hard on Ultimates Cap and Iron Man. I also think that if you play the man behind the curtain game that Whedon has his archetypes that he uses for everything and that’s what we see here. (I live in fear of what he’s going to do to Scarlet Witch based on the credits scene in CATWS.)

captainstevebarnes:

[BURSTS THROUGH THE DOOR] Alright Kids, let me tell you something about this cutie right here and why I really am excited for Agent Carter and the next season of AOS AND WHY HE IS IMPORTANT IN BOTH SERIES.

See that cutie, that cutie is Antoine Triplett who is a well respected Shield Agent. He is also grandson to a Mr. Gabe Jones

One of the Howling Commandos and a man who excelled at languages, knowing German, and French.Wonderful man, well respected you should get to know and love his character.

NOW LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING NOT MANY PEOPLE NOW ABOUT HIM. After the war, he joined SHIELD and became one of their top agents, he went on many missions, but he still had a social life. See there was this girl a few years after the war that he had romantic relations with.

Agent Peggy Carter. Ya’ll think I’m shitting go check their comic Wikis. They where one of the first interracial couples Marvel did. Now, this is what I really think Marvel needs to do, really really really needs to do. In Agent Carter I want them, not in the first season, maybe in the second, but in the third, I’d like for their friendly relationship that they both have had since the war to slowly develop into a romantic one. I want there to be complex emotions about this, I want there to to be period typical drama in regards to their races and how Peggy is his boss, and I want this cutie in AOS

To talk about how he goes to see is grandma every chance he can when he’s in Brooklyn, listening to her war stories about the howling commandos and how his grandfather and Captain America where amazing. She then complains about how sometimes Grandpa Gabe would come home covered in soot from a mission, her vibrant brown eyes twinkling with laughter. Sometimes he has to remind her where she was at in her story, but he doesn’t mind. Not one bit.

I’m 95, not dead.

shardsofblu:

This is mostly just for my reference, and also because I’ve seen some reblog tags from this post which are curious on exactly how old the Avengers are. For clarity’s sake, the ages mentioned here are calculated as of the events of Captain America: The Winter Soldier (May 2014) and are strictly MCU canon.

Sources:
SHIELD personnel files [x] [x] [x] [x]
A Marvel Cinematic Universe Timeline

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1) Nick Fury b. December 21, 1951 (62)

2) Maria Hill b. April 3, 1980 (34)

3) Phil Coulson b. April 2, 1965 (49)

4) Clint Barton b. January 7, 1971 (43)

5) Natasha Romanoff b. November 22, 1984 (29)

6) Tony Stark b. May 29, 1970 (44)

7) Bruce Banner b. December 18, 1969 (44)

8) Steve Rogers b. July 4, 1918 (95, adjusted to 29) ^[1]

9) Sam Wilson N/A

10) Bucky Barnes b. ?? 10, 1922 / 1917 (92 / 97, adjusted to ??) ^[2]

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^{[1] Steve crashed the plane and was frozen on May 6, 1945 (26). He regains consciousness on April 24, 2011 which amounted to 66 years. Therefore, his adjusted birth date is July 4, 1984 (1918+66). The Battle of New York is on May 4, 2011, just 10 days after he woke up.}

^{[2] The SHIELD file states Bucky’s birth year as 1922, while the Smithsonian exhibit transcript states it as 1917. The exact birthday month is obstructed / not provided, so I’m defaulting it to January. Also, I haven’t the faintest idea how to adjust his age since he fell on May 5, 1945 (23 / 28), because he would be going in and out of cryo whenever they need the Winter Soldier for the last few decades.}

More good timeline meta. I do find it interesting that they are making Steve and Natasha (and maybe Bucky) age contemporaries.

Timeline – MCU – one of them anyway

For my own sanity (hah) here is the collective nerd timeline.

according to the marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia which made me go WHAAAA a bunch of times and then ww.tiki-toki.com

Nov 1940 – Schmidt becomes Red Skull

Dec 7, 1941 – Pearl Harbor

Dec 24, 1941 – Rogers gets his first F4, Barnes enlists.

June 14, 1943 – World Expo happens, Barnes leaves for Europe.

June 22, 1943 – Rogers goes through Vita-Ray experiment.

October 1943 – Howling Commandos meet as POWs

Nov 3/9, 1943 – HC rescued by Captain America

Dec 1943-May 1945- HC rage across Europe

‘sometime in 1945 Bucky falls’/ Tiki says this happens May 5, 1945

May 7, 1945 – Cap crashes into the ice

May 1946 – Agent Carter appointed head of new agency, SHIELD (Agent Carter short)

1963 – Howard Stark begins development on Arc Reactor

Dec 16, 1991 – Howard and Maria Stark die

May 10, 1992 – Tony takes over Stark Industries

Jan 2006 – Banner’s failed Gamma Experiment – Hulk is created.

May – Aug 2009 – Stark captured by Ten Rings (Iron Man 1 starts)

Oct 25, 2009 – ‘I am Iron Man’ press conference. (Iron Man 1 ends)

2010 – Iron Man 2 happens (gah that movie)

May 10-14, 2010 – Thor 1 happens

May 16, 2010 – Hulk breaks Harlem

April 17, 2012 – Cap wakes up in NYC/ Tiki date April 23, 2011

May 1, 2012 – PEGASUS blows up, Loki arrives

May 2, 2012 – Steve debates calling Peggy, then gets offered the Avengers Init by Fury

May 4, 2012 – Battle of New York

May 5, 2012 – Loki sent home

Dec 23, 2012 – Tony’s house in Malibu is blow up, Stark is believed dead (Iron Man 3 starts)

Dec 25, 2012 – The Killian fight.

Dec 27, 2012 – Stark undergoes surgery to remove the arc reactor (Iron Man 3 ends)

Jan 6, 2013 – Tony tells Bruce all about his trauma (aka the recounting of Iron Man 3)

Sept 24, 2013 – AOS starts. Ward assigned to Coulson’s team

Oct 30, 2013 /Nov 1- The Convergence begins (Thor 2), Thor and Jane reunite.

Nov 4, 2013 – Battle of Greenwich (tiki toki timeline not updated after this point)

Jan 21/22 2014 – Sif visits earth

March 31, 2014 – Sitwell ordered to the Lemurian Star, Steve meets Sam Wilson, Batroc fight. (CA:TWS starts)

April 2, 2014 – Pierce questions Rogers about Fury. Visit to Camp Leheigh.

April 4, 2014 – Battle of the Triskelion. HYRDA orders its agents to take over any SHIELD facility they can.

April 5, 2014 – SHIELD declared a terrorist organization by USG.

April 6, 2014 – Natasha Romanoff and Maria Hill attend senate hearings.

April 9, 2014 – Coulson appointed director of SHIELD (end of AOS, S1)

April 10, 2014 – Cap meets with Fury, graveside. Cap starts the search for Winter Soldier.

April 11, 2014 – CA:TWS tag scenes happen – Baron von Strucker visits with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. James Barnes visits the Smithsonian.

scifigrl47:

copperbadge:

gege-qurban:

fucknorickremender:

Sales figures from www.comichron.com.

In the month following the hugely popular Captain America: The Winter Soldier movie release, the Remender-penned Captain America solo comic book posted its worst sales since launch, shedding more than 4000 readers (>10%) and falling more than ten ranks.

Way to pull in all those potential new fans!

His sales were tanking since issue 6. Journey into Mystery Featuring Sif sold 10,000 copies more and it was cancelled on the 10th issue.

The drop from #1 to #2 cracks me up. I’m sure there’s a drop every time there’s a #1, but I bet its not usually this steep.

It’s almost like nobody cares to read about Steve Rogers in an alien dystopian landscape with none of his friends.

Steve on his own is fine.

As long as he has a sweet van, a vendetta against the government, and a hobo beard.

Remender missed that part of the ‘steve gets SAAAAAAAAAAAD and runs away from home’ arcs. You know, the fun part.

Also the lady killing. Puts a damper on things.

Okay, so some back of the napkin math. (Caveats all over the place for the math. I wanted to see how this worked out.)

Cap 2 made 95mil it’s opening weekend domestically. At $15 a ticket average (regular tickets are around $9 but it also opened in IMAX/3D so I’m gonna skew high), that’s 6,333,333 people who saw the movie that weekend. Assume (generously) that the hard core fans saw it twice, so let’s knock off a third of that. That’s 4.2 million warm bodies that went to see the movie. From the chart it looks like sales are around 36,000 copies. [I’m going to skip the absolute byzantine ways that comic sales are counted. I don’t know if this chart includes digital or not, if returns were counted, ect.]

But, based on that and assuming everyone who buys the comic went opening weekend (a fallacy but let’s go there), 1 in 111 viewers bought the comic. It was a little tough to track down something about seating capacity but the numbers I saw were 150 to 300. The megaplex I went to had Cap2 in the biggest capacity theaters they had.

What does that mean? Well, for one thing it means that there were probably 3 people in the room that could have bought Cap #21. And a whooooolllllleeeeee lotta people that hadn’t.

That, as a comic book fan in general, sucks. I love comics and think they are a great medium for a lot of people. They are (or can be) accessible in ways that a textual heavy book isn’t. It bridges the gap between text and pictures and in the best books, melds the two together.

It does look like there was a tiny bump between 18 and 19. Probably all those folks who went to the movies then went to their LCS (or who had never been in one before) and said ‘I just saw Captain America. Can I have the book with him in it?’ And they got handed #19 (and probably a few back issues if the store could afford to stock them). None of those people came back for #21 – and some of those that had been getting it stopped getting it.

Are comics for everyone? No. My daughter can’t read comics, the format just doesn’t work for her brain. But .00056% of the movie going audience that weekend is the same audience (with all the caveats above) for Remender’s Captain America title.

That’s so small I’m pretty sure that’s statistically insignificant.

(and this is probably a derail from the bigger point except not, because comics COULD be relevant to culture again except they say shitty things and people aren’t putting up with that any more, at least not as much).

youngjusticer:

When asked if he’d like to take over the captain’s shield one day, Sebastian Stan didn’t hesitate to let his intentions be known: “Yeah, I’ll do it right now. I wouldn’t mind a little Black Widow story happening.” Who in the right mind wouldn’t wanna be involved with Scarlett Johansson? On a serious note, Steve Rogers may be thawed out from hibernation and still serving his country, but Captain America isn’t freed from his past. A brawny, blockbuster-formula movie with the brains of an espionage thriller, The Winter Soldier recalls vintage 70s spy romps, yet resonates with contemporary issues about military might, black-ops government conspiracies, historical cover-ups, war, peace, privacy in this digital era, and questions like “Who can you trust?” At least in this film, you can always rely on the hero with the red, white, and blue “boomerang.”

Winter is Coming, by Randi Laing.