Well of course “queer” has been used as a slur. If you’d actually read my comment, you’d notice I said “it wasn’t treated like one until this decade,” not that it, well, wasn’t ever used as one.
Really? So are you saying when I, a bi person, refer to myself queer, I’m oppressing myself?
Honestly, I’ve read enough of oudeteron and @wetwareproblem’s posts to get an inkling of what the word queer used to really mean.
Sadly, you’re one of the kinder identity policers I’ve crossed paths with. At least you keep it real; you didn’t accuse me of using the word with the intention of making people who don’t like it uncomfortable.
That would’ve been a grave mistake on your part, as I can give you ten reasons why “same-gender attracted” should be considered a worse slur than “queer,” and half of them have to do with this community forcing the label on us.
Anon, you might want to look up reappropriation sometime. That’s exactly what’s happening here. Or, well, has happened – “queer” is the most complete and successful case of reappropriation I can think of, and it’s been happening for 30 years.
Have you ever heard of people chanting “We’re here, we’re queer, get used to it!”? Would it surprise you to know that this chant originates with a militant antiassimilationist organization that proudly called itself Queer Nation in 1990? And that they were building on earlier work in reclaiming the word? No really, here’s one of their early fliers.
It is not “recently” that it has been used as an umbrella term – unless by “recently” you mean “for about half the life of the modern rights movement.” It is not “by people who don’t know better” – it is by people who have deliberately chosen to identify as queer because of its connotations and implications.
Actual lived experience: I have never in my life heard Queer used as a slur.
Words I have experienced used as a slur, either directed at me or others, in my actual presence:
Gay
Dyke
Tranny
Sissy
Fag
Faggot
Nancy boy
Why does this lived experience matter? I am 45 and I have lived in 9 states.
Does it mean Queer was never a slur? Of course not. Does it mean it hasn’t been used to hurt people in the last 30 years? Of course not.
But I think we can say that, over the last 30-40 years, it’s mostly not at the top of anybody’s angry ranting. It’s far from the first (or most widely used) negative term you grab for when you want to mock or shame or discriminate. And it’s not widely used as a negative slur anymore because it’s been reclaimed. By us. By the active work of our community. To use as an umbrella term for that community.
Wow, that’s so disgusting of you, honestly.
Just because the people YOU come into contact with don’t use it, doesn’t mean people elsewhere don’t.
In the UK, it’s most definitely used as a negative slur. Much more than “sissy” or “nancy boy” is. Christ, I hear it as much as I hear the f slur. Once again, America isn’t the entire world.
The point of reclaiming a slur is that you get to reclaim it to use for yourself, on yourself. Not to assign to everyone else.
I’m well aware that the US isn’t the entire world. My mother is from Norway. I have family in Canada.
But, as a citizen of the US who has travelled only very lightly internationally, I have a US-centric perspective. I do not know what slurs are in common usage in the UK or in Australia or indeed in most of the English speaking world, let alone the world as a whole.
There are a lot of differences in terms of slang and slurs between the UK and the US, some of which I’m aware of, some of which I’m not.
The fact that to most folks in the US a ‘rubber’ is a condom, and therefore slightly naughty, doesn’t mean that nobody in the UK is allowed to use that term to refer to an eraser.
If you don’t want to reclaim ‘queer’ for yourself, then don’t. If you want to make it known that ‘queer’ is a slur to you or to you and your community, then you should absolutely do so.
But you need to know that this opinion, this usage, isn’t universal. And because it isn’t universal, you can’t expect it to be honored everywhere by everybody.
In the approximately 1/5th of the US I’ve lived in over the roughly half-century I’ve been alive, ‘Queer’ was not an active slur in active use by bigots. Quite the contrary, it was most commonly used in my experience as an umbrella term for the MOGAI community by the MOGAI community, as well as being used in such terms as ‘Queer Studies’ and ‘Queer Literature’.
I’m sorry if those facts, and my personal decision (as well as the decision of a large number of my peers) to use the term ‘queer’ to describe the US communities I’m a member of in a non-stigmatizing way, is disgusting to you.
I’m not going to stop, however, and your disgust at that fact is going to make exactly zero difference.
It seems to be that this seems to be a generational thing, now. Most of the older (over 35) members of the MOGAI group have long used Queer for self-identification. There’s a lot of history behind it, and it’s reclamation, and right now the only people who are using it as a slur are the younger MOGAI generation, and frankly, this baffles me. I don’t really have the time or energy to get into it but if you search @vaspider‘s blog, she has a lot of information of the history of it.
It baffles me too, and it absolutely seems generational. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out it’s related to the fact that – at least in the US – an entire generation+ was decimated by the AIDS crisis, which has lead to a certain amount of history loss and loss of continuity in the community.
And it’s not like I don’t care at all – I am absolutely curious how, in the US, we seem to be seeing a return to the idea of queer being a slur, without an uptick in usage of it as a slur by bigots. Where is that coming from, and why is it happening?
Because all the justifications for not using it seem to boil down to “it’s a slur and always has been, case closed.” And that’s just not true here in the US. Like at all.
And you know what other word is used as a slur that the community has zero desire to reject or stop using? Gay. I hear ‘gay’ weaponized all the damn time, and I have never once heard a community member tell me that it’s always been a slur and we should stop using it.
Also also – @vaspider is always worth listening to, in my experience. They do an amazing amount of fact checking and is an awesome person on top of that.
Here’s the thing. I’ve been carefully watching the recent upswing in ‘queer is a violent slur!’ rhetoric among young activits and I’ve noticed a few things in regard to it.
It’s recent (we’re talking just a few years old here – around twelve-thirteen years ago, when I first started exploring my Not-Straightness online and began figuring myself out, people in the large, popular LGBTQIAP+ Internet groups I’d frequent would overwhelmingly use ‘queer’ as an umbrella term / self-identify as queer and it was uncontroversial and accepted).
It started its propagation on Tumblr. How deeply it’s penetrated into real-life communities, I can’t really say, but the place where it began to spread online like a wildfire among young activists is Tumblr. This will be relevant shortly.
It’s heavily based on a lack of knowledge and refusal to accept community history, with detractors often denying the widespread reclamation of the term/denying the lived experiences of the people who reclaimed the term.
Yes, there is a generational gap and there’s something very interesting about it. Many detractors are LGBTQIAP+ teenagers, starting at thirteen (the minimum cutoff age for being a Tumblr user, though I wouldn’t be surprised if there are even younger people involved in this who are lying about their age). This is in direct opposition to every instance of controversy around the term over the last thirty years or so, when it was much older members of the community who had understandable issues with it / didn’t wish to reclaim it because of how it had been weaponized against them so often.
Among both the teenagers and the older people who engage in this rhetoric I’ve also noted blogs whose owners describe themselves as ‘radical feminists’, enough of them for the overlap to be noticeable. Again, keep this in mind for relevancy.
There are other overlaps to take note of. There’s an enormous overlap between the ‘queer is a violent slur!’ crowd and the ‘cishet aces aren’t LGBT’ lot. Controlling access to the community via gatekeeping goes hand-in-hand with policing the community’s language. I wouldn’t be surprised to find a deep wellspring of biphobia, panphobia and transphobia underneath the blatant aphobia that many of the people so vehemently against ‘queer’ also engage in.
Something that’s been repeatedly discussed by @vaspider and @wetwareproblem is the fact that the attack on‘queer’ as an umbrella term means specifically that a term predominantly used by bi/pan/non-binary/genderqueer/intersex people is targeted, as opposed to any other. This ties in to the fact that far too many of the most vocal attackers identity as cis gays or lesbians. The fact that a term most often used by marginalized sections of the community is being targeted for elimination by people who have been repeatedly centered in everything from discussions and official history to activism and resources should set some massive warning flags waving.
Looking at all of this, I have a very dark suspicion. What conclusion can you draw when you see a very recent social phenomenon, popping up in a very specific place, with its rank-and-file made up of young, nominally well-meaning but generally inexperienced and uneducated activists, who have shown that they are ready to believe any claims if they come from a source they consider trustworthy? Add in the involvement of radical feminists, among whom panphobia, transphobia, hostility toward nonbinary people and the term ‘queer’ have been noted time and time again and the picture is a horrifying one.
Here it is: I suspect the backlash against ‘queer’ as an umbrella term and even a self-identifier was engineered and is currently spearheaded by a small and very specific group of people, who took advantage of the fact that Tumblr gave them everything they could have ever needed.
unfettered access to very young, inexperienced LGBTQIAP+ people
the ability to build high levels of trust among these people and influence everything from their opinions to their activism
Tumblr’s very design, where based on who you follow, you can end up seeing only what confirms everything you believe
What kept nagging at me was the complete switch of who was most vehemently against ‘queer’ as self-identifier and/or umbrella term. You don’t have decades where the pattern is one way (reservations or rejection among older activists, generalized popularity among younger ones) only for it to completely reverse within the span of a few years, in one particular place. The whole thing feels artificial. Add in everything above and it absolutely reeks.
Are there young people whose rejection of ‘queer’ comes from the fact that they’ve been personally and directly victimized by it? No doubt. But what I’m talking about here aren’t individual cases, but rather a concerted, well-orchestrated campaign to control the language of marginalized sections of the LGBTQIAP+ community and to expunge ‘queer’, both as self-identifier and as an umbrella term. There are many other words which have been constantly used and are still used as bludgeons against us, ‘gay’ chief among them, yet there is no similar campaign to expunge ‘gay’ as umbrella term, regardless of how many people have been victimized by its usage as a slur.
So what you end up with is a group of people, radfems/cis gays & lesbians among them – also heavily involved in the aphobic backlash now – with an ideological axe to grind against ‘queer’, who figured quickly enough that turning young adult activists against it wasn’t going to work, not when we’d spent a decade or more using it, not when the people before us were instrumental in reclaiming it. So instead they focused on Tumblr and on the youths they could influence here. Inexperience combined with too much uncritical trust led us to where we are and it was a simple thing: if the blogger Person A trusts to Be Right says something, then it must Be Right. All you need then is a sufficient number of people convinced that they’re In The Right passing this on to others with a similar lack of experience and knowledge. Picture an out-of-control forest fire, with the instigators fanning the flames / setting new fires when needed.
This is why I am DONE with concessions on this whole thing. I refused to bow my head and fired right back at the transphobic, biphobic/panphobic and aphobic backlashes both in the physical world and on this goddamn website. This thing is no different, with largely the same people behind it and a better smokescreen. To anyone genuinely hurt by my usage of ‘queer’: I also use LGBTQIAP+ as umbrella term, when needed. Also, I have no problems if you need to unfollow/block me. Prioritizing your well-being is important and I don’t begrudge that,
However, what I DO begrudge is the existence of a concerted campaign meant to completely deny the history and usage of the term most often used by me/people like me and as an identifier for our community, aiming for its demonization and elimination.
all of this. I grew up in America, born in 1963, aware that I was some flavor of not-het since I was 11, and I’ve only rarely heard “queer” used as a disparaging term. I’ve heard “gay” used as a slur for decades and no one’s demanding we stop using that word. The same with “butch”. Suspicious, that the word singled out for re-determination as a slur no one must use ever is the one umbrella term that covers everyone who isn’t cishet.
Also, telling someone they’re disgusting for claiming for themselves a word you’ve been told is bad is a pretty nasty thing to do.
see also: you will take “queer” out of my cold, dead hands.
During World War II, 600,000 African-American women entered the wartime
workforce. Previously, black women’s work in the United States was
largely limited to domestic service and agricultural work, and wartime
industries meant new and better-paying opportunities – if they made it
through the hiring process, that is. White women were the targets of the
U.S. government’s propaganda efforts, as embodied in the lasting and
lauded image of Rosie the Riveter.Though largely ignored in America’s
popular history of World War II, black women’s important contributions
in World War II factories, which weren’t always so welcoming, are
stunningly captured in these comparably rare snapshots of black Rosie
the Riveters.
Reblogging because I’ve never seen these before, and I bet a lot of people haven’t.
So many straight guys are so horrified by the remotest possibility of someone they’re not attracted to being attracted to them.
Like given the smallest suspicion of a one-way crush they’ll be truly awful to women they consider unattractive or men who like men, even if the person in question doesn’t even come close to flirting with them.
But then they turn around and fucking harass women who don’t return their attraction – with zero self-awareness. It’s truly mind-boggling to see the same guy say some cruel shit to repel the ‘advances’ of a gay man or a fat girl who barely glanced in his direction and like thirty seconds later be pushing his luck with some girl who’s already said three times she’s not interested.
That’s fucked up.
It’s honestly just blatant policing of who is allowed to have initial attraction, and that I think really comes from this fucked up idea that attraction (hell, you could argue interaction in general) exists purely for their own benefit and pleasure.
Straight men get angry to the point of violence both at receiving non-intrusive interest that’s unwanted and at not receiving the interest that is wanted because they feel entitled to have their own wants and needs be the defining factor in all interactions.
They literally – frequently – expect other people to feel exactly what is convenient to them, and this phenomenon is a really obvious example. A major component of male entitlement is the bedrock assumption that anyone having emotions that don’t cater to a man’s interests is somehow attacking him.
Sebastian Stan was a child in Romania under Ceaușescu’s regime. When you grow up like that, you’re always looking out for the next dictator.
His face in the last gif. It physically pains me, it’s like my feelings about this whole year summed up in one gif.
Shut the fuck up, publicist. Your client has an authentic moment based on his real life, and you want to stop him because it’s off the safe, polished, boring script.
(This post is going around. Since I pretty much like the post, I’m making my own post rather than introducing this in the responses there, but I do want to link to it for context.)
A really cool and classy trans lady I corresponded with for a while on a different social site used words like “transsexual” and “transgendered.” She spoke of herself as being born in the wrong body, and she spoke of herself as being biologically male, MTF.
She was in her late 60s.
I did not correct her. I would not in a hundred years have dared.
Given the social climate and hostility she had endured, I was fortunate to be speaking to her at all.
I have occasionally seen younger people criticizing older people quite harshly for that sort of thing. That hurts.
The use of language changes, my friends.
It is so, so very important to help people outside the community understand what language is most appropriate, and it’s important to discuss this stuff within the community so that we can reach some kind of consensus (however messy) moving forward.
It is also very, very important to respect the elders among us, and to understand that their experiences and the wisdom they have to share with us are of tremendous importance and incalculable value. And the language they use? Is part of their history, and our history, and respecting that fact in all its complexity is part of respecting them . . . and respecting ourselves as a community.
Language is so important, but in thirty years I guarantee you some of the language we defend so vigorously now will be woefully outdated, and many of us will still be clinging to it, much to the consternation of the younger generation.
I’m not saying it isn’t important to strive to create the most respectful, helpful language possible, and educate others when it is right to do so. It is vitally necessary that we do so. But we have to remember that this is a process that, thank heavens, never, ever ends.
Language cannot, and should not, stop evolving. Look at us. Look at all of us. So beautiful, so many. We are a dynamic community, a vivid community, full of art and history and passion and pathos and great, great power. Something so lively is always surrounded by change. That is so beautiful, and should be welcomed going forward … and it should be respected looking back.
There are words not yet invented that will apply to those not yet born. Those people should be respected when they join us. And the words we use now, they are good for now, and we should be respected. And our elders should be respected. Letting language take that from us is a horrifying prospect.
So. Let us not forget that language is primarily meant to be what helps bind us together. Let us remember not to let it set us apart, to squeeze us like a fist.
Please remember your history when discussing language. You will eventually be part of our history. You already are. Please. Go with open hands.
Yes. This.
This goes for other marginalized communities as well. I have a teacher who (in his words) “suffers from” depression. I am a strong proponent of the idea that everyone should have the right to define their own existence in their own words. So while I personally favor the neurodiversity model and I much prefer the neutral “has [x condition]” over “suffers from [x condition]”, I am not going to correct my teacher’s language because it’s his choice to define his depression for himself.
Thank you for bringing mental illness into this, because it didn’t occur to me, but there are many parallels, and as I myself am mentally ill and disabled because of it, I feel like I can actually talk about this with some authority.
Speaking as someone with an anxiety disorder and depression-dominant bipolar, I heavily identify with the “suffers from” narrative. Not everyone does. But if I said “I suffer from depression” and someone tried to “correct” my language to be more in line with what genuinely should be the default when you don’t know how the other person relates to their issue, they would get a gentle earful.
When someone tells you how they relate to some part of their core being, you believe them. If they use the “trapped in the wrong body” framework for themselves, respect it, don’t correct it. If they describe themselves as “suffering from X”, respect it, don’t correct it.
Some conditions do not inherently cause much suffering and while some people may indeed be miserable with these conditions, for the most part it’s society’s lack of accommodation that makes those conditions painful to live with. (From my understanding, autism, many forms of physical disability, blindness, Deafness, etc., would all reliably fall into this category.) (This is the social model of disability in a nutshell. The idea that if people were afforded necessary accommodations, these issues wouldn’t be too much of a problem.)
Some conditions absolutely tend to cause inherent suffering simply because that is what they do. What I have is, IMO, one of those things. While I personally know people who have the same exact illness I have and actively enjoy it (mania is apparently enjoyable for a friend of mine), most people who are bipolar, in my experience, do not. That is simply the nature of what bipolar is. Likewise, my anxiety disorder: if it did not cause suffering, it would not exist. That’s what it is. It causes discomfort, sometimes so acute I cry or feel like I’m going to throw up. You can’t accommodate me out of it, though you can damn sure make it worse by not allowing me to take care of it.
It’s a fact that if we accommodated these things better, the suffering would be less. For instance, if I were afforded enough money to live on each month, adequate medical care by competent professionals willing to treat me as the authority in my illness, and appropriate medication, I would be a lot happier. I do not have those things. I am absolutely made more miserable because of it. But no level of accommodation will stop my neurotransmitters – or lack thereof – from making me miserable from time to time.
The language that it is appropriate to apply to someone else may very well differ from what they use to describe themselves. There are some things it is not okay to impose on other people, even as it is perfectly okay to be those things.
Language develops and grows, and we are always seeking good terms to use that describe people without assigning them characteristics or narratives with which they may not identify. That’s a good thing. I get very frustrated when I see people complain about changing language, or “made-up terms”. That attitude is an active resistance to positive change.
I also get very frustrated when I see people trying to stamp out words without knowing their history, or respecting people who use those word, and have used them for decades (e.g.: “queer”, which you will pry from my cold dead fingers).
We need a better understanding of the necessary divide between personal experience and group descriptors.
This is a big thing in the autistic community. Older folks (I’m talking the >35 set by and large) lean more towards person-first language. Younger folks (like me I admit) lean more towards identity-first.
And there’s a good reason for that in both cases. Folks who grew up in the 70s and earlier were around for the early disability rights movements – they remember the time when identity-first was used to dehumanize and other. Person-first is their way of fighting back: I am a person, you will not forget that.
Younger folks were around for Autism Speaks and its co-opting of person-first language for its own bigoted ends. For the era of forced normalization, of passing, of “I Am Autism” and “Autism Every Day,” of being portrayed as demon-children while your abusers and the killers of people like you get fawning attention because it’s ever-so-difficult to be around people like you, and of personhood and autism being considered mutually exclusive and personhood being conditional on passing – so if you pass, you’re not autistic and don’t have a right to an opinion because you’re not severe enough, and if you don’t pass, you’re too severely affected to really understand how wretched you are, and therefore you don’t have the right to an opinion. For us, identity-first is a way of claiming our voice – it’s an extension of nothing about us without us. I am autistic, and I am a person, and you don’t get to choose which of those you respect. You will listen to me, because of both, not in spite of one.
What I’m pointing out here is that sometimes generations can have mutually-exclusive language preferences for what amounts to the same underlying reason, owing to differences in culture at the time of the generation’s coming-of-age. Person-first and identity-first are in fact mutually exclusive – someone cannot simultaneously respect my wish to be called autistic and another person’s wish to not hear autistic people referred to as autistic. But they’re both rooted in a demand for respect, a demand to be recognized as a full person.
The autistic community has mostly settled this issue by saying you have the final call in how you are referred to, but you don’t have the right to push others into identifying differently. The wishes that get respected in an instance are the wishes of the person being referred to. So you would refer to me as autistic, and you might refer to someone else as a person with autism, and both are okay as long as you’re respecting the identity of the person in question.
I think the QUILTBAG community could really benefit from taking that sort of attitude, too. Case in point: For me, I would never refer to myself as dyke and would get really fucking angry with anyone who did refer to me as dyke- I lived in a very old-fashioned community. Dyke was a tool of dehumanization and a threat. I hear someone call me a dyke and I’m 8 on the playground having my face smashed open on a chunk of ice to the tune of “Dyke bitch! Dyke bitch!” again. No amount of reclamation is going to lessen that association for me. But other people want to reclaim it as a sense of defiance – I’m a dyke, what of it? I respect their defiance, and I respect their right to choose the language with which they identify.
This is such a cool addition to my post. Thank you.
also i will keep saying this until i die because correcting people’s language is the first taste of power a lot of young kids get, and they go fucking nuts with it. but policing people’s language and demonizing them for using the wrong words or phrasing things in clumsy way isn’t just shitty activism, it’s anti-activism.
jumping on people for which words they use to talk about issues, instead of engaging with the content and intentions of their speech, it paralyzes people, it scares them. knowing that one verbal misstep will get you called transphobic— even if you’re trans, even if you’re trying to talk about your own experiences— shames and punishes people for innocent actions, for insults they never meant. this isn’t activism. this makes people passive. i have seen over and over language policers send this message: do what i say, say what i say, or be punished.
language policing inevitably warps all discourse away from focusing on real-world action into the most petty, pointless, divisive bickering over individual terms and phrases. like, is it lgbt or mogai? who gives a shit. if you think the title of a community is more important than respecting and connecting with the people in it then you’ve already failed. is it transsexual or transgendered? if you attack trans people for calling themselves what they like, you’ve fucked up.
My girl spoke nothing but fucking TRUTH. Now that’s this kind of Women we need our girls to look up too.
Who is she?
Sarah Kendzior.
She’s an expert in authoritarianism and has accurately predicted almost everything that is happening – her unflinching insight and analysis is terrifying but invaluable right now. Well worth following on twitter.
fucking
why did i never see this until now
I love that she barely even opened her eyes to look at those men. She said allat with a veil of “stfu I’m so done” over her face, it was incredible.
I think I love her
ive followed her on twitter for a while. if more white women were like her we wouldnt be in this shit jam.
Look at all the pissbaby white men that didn’t clap
Where You At? A Bioregional Quiz Developed by Leonard Charles, Jim Dodge, Lynn Milliman, and Victoria Stockley. Originally published in Coevolution Quarterly 32 (Winter 1981): 1.
1. Trace the water you drink from precipiation to tap.
2. How many days til the moon is full? (Slack of 2 days allowed.)
3. What soil series are you standing on?
4. What was the total rainfall in your area last year (July-June)? (Slack: 1 inch for every 20 inches.)
5. When was the last time a fire burned in your area?
6. What were the primary subsistence techniques of the culture that lived in your area before you?
7. Name 5 edible plants in your region and their season(s) of availability. 8. From what direction do winter storms generally come in your region?
9. Where does your garbage go?
10. How long is the growing season where you live?
11. On what day of the year are the shadows the shortest where you live?
12. When do the deer rut in your region, and when are the young born?
13. Name five grasses in your area. Are any of them native?
14. Name five resident and five migratory birds in your area.
15. What is the land use history of where you live?
16. What primary ecological event/process influenced the land form where you live? (Bonus special: what’s the evidence?)
17. What species have become extinct in your area?
18. What are the major plant associations in your region?
19. From where you’re reading this, point north.
20. What spring wildflower is consistently among the first to bloom where you live?
Scoring
• 0-3 You have your head up your ***.
• 4-7 It’s hard to be in two places at once when you’re not anywhere at all.
• 8-12 A firm grasp of the obvious.
• 13-16 You’re paying attention.
• 17-19 You know where you’re at.
• 20 You not only know where you’re at, you know where it’s at.
Passing this quiz cold isn’t the point, snarky scoring commentary notwithstanding. Instead, use it to learn the realities of where you live and incorporate them into your relationship with the land where you dwell. Your local anthropologists, botanical gardens, county extension agencies, historians, libraries, meteorologists, natural museums, community waste disposal programs, and Wikipedia can help you find the answers to these questions. You’ll discover a wealth of more information about where you live in the process.
“What has violence against Nazis ever accomplished?”
The end of the holocaust, for starters, ya lollipops.
I actually love this post
You mean after they shot first? 🤔
Or did you forget that part as means to justify hitting people that just spoke hateful things.
You know, I was thinking maybe this time around we don’t wait until Nazis have already begun ethnic cleansing before we intervene. Just a thought. I know, really wild. Way out there. So radical. Pretty edgy and all.
You don’t get to assault someone just because you dislike their socio-political opinions.
There’s a difference between the NSDAP and modern Neo-Nazis. The former is a totalitarian government responsible for the deaths of millions and the unprovoked invasion of several European nations. The latter are a small bunch of despicable people who are the NSDAP’s new-age fan club.
You don’t get to punch people just because you strongly disagree with them. If you did, that also means other people have equal right to punch you on the exact same grounds.
Until Nazis actually start harming others, you must leave them alone.
They HAVE KILLED PEOPLE. Like, recently!
Did you sleep through Charlottesville? Jesus.
Also where I live, a neo nazi punched a kid in the head (a protestor who was standing up against one of their white supremacist rallies) and he was hit so fucking hard, the kid DIED
And neo nazis stomping the shit out of black kids….or throwing acid on muslims….
Here is a whole fucking list of violent crimes neo nazis and white supremacists have done sincethe Oklahoma City Bombing
Here are the bullshit things they have done in the past 10 yrs alone
July 27, 2008. Jim David Adkisson shoots and kills two people during a childrens’ performance of a musical at a Unitarian Univeralist church in Knoxville, Tennessee, telling police that he intended to target individuals who had voted for liberals and Democrats.
Jan. 21, 2009. Neo-Nazi Keith Luke rapes and kills an immigrant from Cape Verde in Brockton, Massachusetts, then kills a 72-year-old homeless immigrant.
April 4, 2009. Richard Andrew Poplawski, a frequent poster on the white supremacist Stormfront website who apparently believes a national “gun ban” is imminent, kills three Pittsburgh police officers.
April 25, 2009. Joshua Cartwright kills two Okaloosa County, Florida sheriff’s deputies. Per a police report, Cartwright’s wife says he was paranoid about the U.S. government and “extremely disturbed” by Barack Obama’s election.
May 30, 2009. Shawna Forde, Albert Gaxiola, and Jason Bush kill a Latino man and his nine-year-old daughter in Arivaca, Arizona during a robbery intended to raise funds for the “Minutemen American Defense” group.
May 31, 2009. Scott Roeder kills Dr. George Tiller, an abortion provider, in the Wichita, Kansas Lutheran church where Tiller serves as an usher.
June 10, 2009. An 89-year-old white supremacist named James von Brunn kills a security guard at the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C. from point-blank range.
Feb. 18, 2010. Joseph Andrew Stack flies a plane into an Austin, Texas IRS office, killing one person.
May 20, 2010. A father-son pair named Jerry and Joseph Kane (who conduct “seminars” about how “sovereign citizens” can evade debt) kill two West Memphis, Arkansas police officers.
Sept. 26–Oct. 3, 2011. Avowed white supremacists David Joseph Pedersen and Holly Ann Grigsby kill Pedersen’s father and stepmother in Washington, a man they believe is Jewish in Oregon, and a black man in California.*
Aug. 5, 2012. A white supremacist named Wade Michael Page kills six people at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wisconsin.
Aug. 16, 2012. “Sovereign citizen”-movement adherents Brian Smith and Kyle Joekel, who are now awaiting trial, allegedly kill two Louisiana sheriff’s deputies in a trailer-park ambush.
Sept. 4, 2012. Christopher Lacy, a software engineer who lives in a rural trailer and apparently sympathizes with the “sovereign citizen” movement, shoots a California Highway Patrol officer who dies the next day.
April 13, 2014. Frazier Glenn Miller, a 73-year-old with a long history of KKK activity, kills three people in the area of a Jewish community center and Jewish retirement community in Overland Park, Kansas.
June 8, 2014. Jerad and Amanda Miller kill two police officers in a random attack at a pizza restaurant in Las Vegas, then kill a customer at a Walmart. The Millers had spent time on Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s property during protests related to Bundy’s dispute with the federal government.
Sept. 12, 2014. Eric Frein allegedly shoots and kills a Pennsylvania state trooper; he’s caught 48 days later after hiding from authorities in “survivalist” fashion in a rural area.
June 17, 2015. Dylann Roof murders nine people at a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina.
July 24, 2015. John Russell Houser, a 59-year-old man with a history of expressing extremist and anti-feminist beliefs, kills two women at a screening of the Amy Schumer comedy Trainwreck in Lafayette, Louisiana.
Nov. 27, 2015. A 57-year-old religious fanatic named Robert Lewis Dear shoots and kills three people, including a police officer, at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs.
Aug. 10, 2016. A 38-year-old Oregon man with connections to a white supremacist prison gang drove over and killed a 19-year-old black man after a sidewalk altercation in what authorities are prosecuting as a hate crime.
March 20, 2017. A 28-year-old white supremacist named James Harris Jackson stabs a 66-year-old black stranger to death in midtown Manhattan.
May 26, 2017. Two men are stabbed to death on a light-rail train in Portland, Oregon by a “known local white supremacist” named Jeremy Joseph Christian.
Aug. 12, 2017. A white supremacist named James Fields Jr. attending the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, allegedly runs over and kills an anti-racism protester.
@mechanicusdeus its not about different opinions, its about DANGEROUS PEOPLE WHO HAVE KILLED PEOPLE LIKE….FUCKING NOW….U BURNT PIECE OF CELERY
U are literally defending Nazis?! THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH U?! The ones today are STILL FOLLOWING THE SHIT HITLER DID….what the fuuuuuck?!
Welcome to 2017 where nazis apparently need defending
We had a whole war about this shit in the 40s and there was this thing called the HOLOCAUST…JESUS CHRIST
Nazis don’t have “Socio-Political opinions”
Nazis are terrorists and deserve to be treated as such
NAZIS NEED TO BE WIPED FROM EXISTENCE
Every last worthless evil stinking one of them
THE ONLY GOOD NAZI IS A DEAD NAZI. And I will be a very happy woman when every single worthless Nazi dog-fucker whose ever been SHIT OUT into the world is rotting in the ground, being chewed on by worms. Because DYING is the only good thing any Nazi piece of FILTH will ever do in their entire worthless sickening existence
I can’t even fucking believe that in the year of our lord 20-fucking-18 that we have to have the “Nazis are vile creatures, we need to stomp them out” conversation.
This is a pro-”hit a fucking Nazi” blog and if you don’t like that, goodbye.
“The first day I stepped on the set of Selma, I began to feel like this was bigger than a movie. As I got to know the people of the civil rights movement, I realized I am the hopeful black woman who was denied her right to vote. I am the caring white supporter, killed on the front lines of freedom. I am the unarmed black kid who maybe needed a hand, but instead was given a bullet.I am two fallen police officers murdered in the line of duty. Selma has awakened my humanity.”
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