Markus&Mcfeely clarify their comments on Bucky’s ending

shipperhipster:

ikkje00:

Interviewer: People were curious why Bucky had to be
punished.

Stephen McFeely: I’ll address this. In our very first interview for Civil War, we sort of flippantly…. question came up in some way… We…

Christopher Markus: You, really…

Stephen McFeely: So… I… We don’t mean to say that Bucky deserves
to be punished… But I’ll say this. At the end of the movie, think about where we are. Tony Stark has just learned that his parents have been murdered. The
guy who did it is standing right there and one of his dear friends didn’t tell
him. It’s a dark ending it’s a melancholy ending, and it’s a bit ambiguous.
There’s no version of the next scene being Bucky happy, there’s no tag (?)
where Bucky gets to live a happy life, when that is how the movie ended. So,
that would be a little tone deaf.

That said, Bucky is absolutely a victim and Bucky, if he went to the court of law, he would be innocent of all charges…

Christopher Markus: At the very least he’s probably guilty of
manslaughter, in some way…

Stephen McFeely: But I think, I did a little homework on
this, I think it would be debatable. It’s debatable. But the point is, that we
the audience forgive Bucky because we know what exactly happened. I’m not
positive it’s that easy for Bucky to forgive himself. Bucky, you know, he said
on the quinjet, Steve tried to forgive him, but he said: “Yeah, but I did
it”. And he remembers all of them. So I’ve always thought that the story
of Bucky coming to have a happier life or better perspective on his terrible
century, is going to take a while. And my hope is that he can forgive himself
and that he can come to a good place, but I bet you that’s money on – not that easy. X

THIS IS EXACTLY what I kept trying to say. This is what they MEANT, they just said it terribly. Thank you for clarifying, you guys.

spacepunkstevie:

i’m all for the don’t-hold-a-grudge message of civil war but i do not think tony “feels entitled to take the life of an innocent human being to satisfy his own anger” stark deserved steve apologising for lying

tony “claims the moral high ground vis-a-vis the accords despite the fact that he broke the agreement the moment he didn’t like his new boss’s decision” stark

tony “holds bucky responsible for the winter solder’s crimes even though he was literally brainwashed while simultaneously feeling like his own tragic backstory is a good enough excuse to commit murder” stark

tony “beats steve to a pulp for having the nerve not to take his side in the fight when he’s genuinely trying to murder bucky even though he’s told that bucky is innocent” stark

and i’m supposed to believe that steve looked at everything that tony did and went maybe i should apologise for lying to him. that was the real problem here. attempted murder and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon are just water under the bridge

I chose to see it as Steve making amends for his own conscience regardless of Tony’s actions. After all, just like Wanda says earlier in the movie ‘I can do nothing about their fear, I can only control my own’, I think that Steve is being accountable for his own actions.

That’s just me tho.

Captain America: Civil War

Spoilers for Cap 3 (long-ish and has critique. If you are in a squeeful place this is not the commentary for you.)

Liked it, didn’t love it. Will gleefully mine it for stuff I can use in stories I probably won’t write.

1. Tony having that 3 minute speech about dead kids then recruiting 14 year old Spiderman. Really? I feel like this is a collision of RDJ shoehorning himself into a movie and making it about him and then being one-upped by the Marvel-Sony Spiderman heist. (RDJ of course gets the last laugh because he’s officially been added to the cast of Spiderman:Homecoming.) But the utter hypocrisy of that speech is just breathtaking, especially given that we are told over and over that he feels baaaaad about all the people killed with Stark tech.

2. As some great meta pointed out:
a. New York? Not the Avengers fault. Steve’s been awake for what? 10 days at that point. Wanda’s still being a teenage in Sokovia. Vision doesn’t exist. Etc.
b. DC? Yeah, terrible thing when someone stops your evil spy satellite network that was going to kill millions of people a second.
c. Sokovia? You mean the one that was all Stark’s fault for his stupid protect the world plan because he’s paranoid and no one has the ability to take his toys away from him? Where is the evil Pepper mastermind novel because I’d read the shit out of that. We see what happens every time you take away Tony’s support system.
d. Laos? Right because letting a biohazard out into the world for wherever Rumlow was going to sell it was a better idea.
This is more about pinning the blame on the group they could find than actually holding the Avengers responsible for anything. I have a pet theory about the Accords and that given the paperwork involved it was actually the new and improved WSC pulling the strings behind the scenes to basically recruit the Avengers to Hydra (no, it didn’t work but they didn’t really need it to, they just needed to make the Avengers bad guys to the public).

3. The press tour and the trailers and preview material kept talking about how Steve is now a guy with shades of gray but I didn’t actually see that change. The guy who went behind enemy lines for Bucky Barnes and ran the commandoes however the hell he pleased and then took down Hydra against Director Fury’s wishes (like Nick couldn’t have stopped him if he really wanted to?) didn’t change. He’s more cynical, sure, but even in TWS when he has that talk with Peggy about following orders you know he knows better about himself than that.

4. I just don’t see the nuance in Tony in this movie. He’s a screaming tantrum from beginning to end. It’s all about him and his control issues or lack thereof. Why hasn’t anyone just shot him yet?

5. That said, Steve, you’re a stupid man. Stubborn as fuck and about a subtle as a freight train. At least your characterization is consistent even if all you did was react to things throughout the movie. I didn’t see you make a single choice that wasn’t forced on you by events. Maybe get some therapy for that?

6. Sam was awesome.

7. T’Challa was amazing. Talk about an origin story crammed into someone else’s movie. That was some brilliant storytelling and so very well done. You can tell that when left alone the writers did some good work there.

8. Spiderman got the most laughs at both the screenings I went to. It’s going to be a popular movie and I’m glad they’re actually going back to his true roots. Not going tho because quipy movies are not my thing and it felt like such a jarring shoe-horned in moment (which, it totally was).

9. Bucky. This is the Bucky I wanted an expected and hoped for. Well done there. Too bad it’s going to get drowned out by everything else.

10. Where did the women go in this movie? Natasha shows up and vanishes. She’s not there after the airport battle at all, really. Felt really odd there was no closure for her. Sharon felt like half a storyline too that got cut for time or as the virtual closet from which to dispense stuff to the heroes.

11. I liked Wanda in this and am interested to see where they take her. Her interactions with Clint were great. Her interactions with Vision creeped me the fuck out. She’s legit a teenager and he just floats through her walls and then tries to woo her with food and then keeps her locked in the house? In any other movie with a regular dude of Paul Bettany’s age and every review would be screeching about it. Ugh. (Which is too bad because handled right the Vision and Wanda romance and plotline in the comics is cool.)

12. Zemo worked for me and I can’t wait to see what else he has in mind now that he’s been very much put back in play. I don’t buy the suicide attempt for a second.

13. There was a lot of stuff I liked in the movie and I’d love to know what the script was like before it became Civil War because I can almost piece together what it might have been.

Crossposted to DW because tumblr sucks for conversation (if you prefer)

CA:CW, the reaction

laporcupina:

Okay, so this turned into War and Peace. Which should perhaps surprise nobody who reads my fic.

As mentioned last night, I greatly enjoyed Captain America: Civil War in the moment – it’s tremendous fun, with wit and action and competency – but I have notes:

* I think we’re going to have to change the jargon from “getting jossed” to “getting russoed” because the Brothers Russo destroyed more fanon in one movie than Whedon ever did.

Keep reading

This is exactly my problem with the movie.

SPOILERS –

I just don’t buy Tony’s reaction to the video at the end. I understand why the filmmakers thought they were doing a good job of setting it up but it just doesn’t work for me. I’m waiting for the story that sells me on it because the movie didn’t.

maxiekat:

From Captain America: Civil War official magazine

dailyevanstan:

The safest hands are still our own.

weinersoldier:

ALRIGHT LISTEN

finally I’ve sorted (with help, because oh my god thanks for no ??? good screenshots????) Bucky’s new sniper piece and YOU GUYS:

This is a M249 Light Machine Gun.

This is !!!!! SO RAD !!!! FOR RECOVERED BUCKY!!! for so many reasons:

First of all, the M249 is a belt-fed, gas-operated American-make machine gun. It’s a most importantly for Bucky a throwback weapon, because it fires in a similar manner to his M1941 Johnson Rifle from the War. The M249 fires with an open-bolt, meaning it will provide the accuracy of a sniper rifle BUT the power, velocity, and volume of a machine gun. It fires 5.56 NATO (.45mm) cartridges, and can feed off both linked rounds AND other magazines, meaning the user could swap to an M4/M16 rifle magazine in a pinch (incredibly useful in the field).

Also, this motherfucker is HEAVY, approaching 25 pounds when loaded, and as we can see from the new spot, it’s also been retrofit with an M4 50-round magazine (can be seen over Bucky’s left forearm when he’s standing behind Steve), most likely pushing it into the 30-pound range. A weapon this heavy, with high volume fire, is a testament to Bucky’s physical endurance in both carrying and operating it, as the kick-back on a weapon this size is disruptive at best.

Additionally, even the disadvantage of this weapon caters to Bucky’s strengths: the M249 is known to heat up quickly along the barrel when in use, but, GUESS WHAT: metal hand steadying the barrel deals with that. Bucky, as always, adapting!!

Finally – the M249 has been in use by the U.S. Army and Marine Corps in every major military conflict since 1989. It’s primarily used for high-volume cover fire, but allows for sniping accuracy as well.

So consider: Bucky picking up a weapon that’s defensive in purpose. A gun that yes, can be used for sniping but is almost always used to provide cover for other fighters. A gun that can, at highest volume, discharge approximately 10 shots a second, but operates almost like the weapons he’d used in WWII.

Bucky at Steve’s six, seventy years later, choosing a weapon of defense in his own way. It might not be a shield, but he’s come a very, very long way.