Tag: steve rogers

wintercyan:

hellkatsally:

My question is: what is Steve Rogers’s body count?
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We don’t talk about that a lot because he’s an American Hero ™ and American Heroes don’t ever actually kill people even when they’re, you know, soldiers in the actual fucking Army.  The American Hero has to show mercy and give everybody a second chance and any time the Bad Guy dies, it has to be because he made a mistake that lead to his own death.  The hero can never actually just fucking murder him in our stories because that would be wrong and a true American would never do something like that.

So, like, has Steve Rogers ever shot a dude in the face?  Has he ever snapped anybody’s neck?  Has he ever been struggling for his own life and used his shield to take a life?

If you have either canon comics knowledge or just Opinions and Feelings, please feel free to share.  Because, like, dude was a soldier in WWII on the European Front fighting Nazis, kicking open doors with gun literally blazing, so he’s obviously killed people, but we never discuss this.  How does Steve reconcile killing?  Does he feel guilt?  Is he comfortable with his actions?  Has he killed people since he got pulled out of the ice?  How does he feel about taking human lives?  Does he talk to anybody about it?  Does he just internalize it and let it eat him up inside?

This is an excellent question, so I decided to look into it (in MCU, not the comics, sorry). Turns out it’s incredibly difficult to determine Steve’s on-screen body count because 99% of his kills are unconfirmed/ambiguous—which, given that Marvel is now owned by family-friend Disney, is obviously deliberate, and made easy by the fact that Steve’s weapon of choice is his shield (blunt force trauma, no penetration, leaving no obvious marks). A metal Frisbee doesn’t look like much of a weapon, right?

However, as a traumatologist in spe, I know for a fact that a shield thrown hard enough to embed itself in a metal bulkhead would definitely kill anyone it hit, especially if—as here—it’s aimed directly at the person’s head:

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There’s a good chance almost everyone Steve hits with the shield full force ends up dead/severely incapacitated and probably disabled for life.

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dongofachilles:

baseball!au where Bucky Barnes is the less-appreciated-and-noticed-but-just-as-important-damn-it half of the legendary pitcher/catcher battery along with Steve “Captain America” Rogers on the Commandos and basically Bucky is in the dirt and sweats his ass off and busts his ass making Steve look awesome when he’s not gunning down baserunners and trying (and failing) to keep Steve’s ass out of trouble both on and off the field (“damn it Rogers if you gotta get into bar fights dON’T USE YOUR FUCKING PITCHING HAND TO PUNCH PEOPLE FUCKING HELL”)

but yeah wow I wish I could fucking color and do backgrounds and you know, actually draw decently but THAT’S WHY WE PRACTICE NOW ISN’T IT

natashabucks:

Joe Russo: We always said that the whole movie lives or dies on that last scene between him and Bucky. You know, this third act is a fait accompli in a way. It’s a superhero movie.

Steve McFeely: I suspect he will win.

Joe Russo: The expectation is that he will win. But the real story is will he win Bucky, will he save his friend, will his friend kill him, will he have to kill his friend? The tragedy of that moment was the most important thing to us as directors in the third act. That’s the real climax of the act. 

Steve McFeely: Yeah, from jump street we always worked towards getting to: “I will sacrifice myself in order to reach my friend.” And so “end of the line” has been the line since the very beginning. And Sebastian nails it, it cracks him. 

Chris Markus: Again, it’s about Steve trying to save his past.

Joe Russo: It’s the last thing he has left.

– Captain America: The Winter Soldier Blu-ray Audio Commentary