Tag: steve rogers

I’m 95, not dead.

shardsofblu:

This is mostly just for my reference, and also because I’ve seen some reblog tags from this post which are curious on exactly how old the Avengers are. For clarity’s sake, the ages mentioned here are calculated as of the events of Captain America: The Winter Soldier (May 2014) and are strictly MCU canon.

Sources: 
SHIELD personnel files [x] [x] [x] [x]
A Marvel Cinematic Universe Timeline

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1) Nick Fury b. December 21, 1951 (62)

2) Maria Hill b. April 3, 1980 (34)

3) Phil Coulson b. April 2, 1965 (49)

4) Clint Barton b. January 7, 1971 (43)

5) Natasha Romanoff b. November 22, 1984 (29)

6) Tony Stark b. May 29, 1970 (44)

7) Bruce Banner b. December 18, 1969 (44)

8) Steve Rogers b. July 4, 1918 (95, adjusted to 29) [1]

9) Sam Wilson N/A 

10) Bucky Barnes b. ?? 10, 1922 / 1917 (92 / 97, adjusted to ??) [2]

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[1] Steve crashed the plane and was frozen on May 6, 1945 (26). He regains consciousness on April 24, 2011 which amounted to 66 years. Therefore, his adjusted birth date is July 4, 1984 (1918+66). The Battle of New York is on May 4, 2011, just 10 days after he woke up.

[2] The SHIELD file states Bucky’s birth year as 1922, while the Smithsonian exhibit transcript states it as 1917. The exact birthday month is obstructed / not provided, so I’m defaulting it to January. Also, I haven’t the faintest idea how to adjust his age since he fell on May 5, 1945 (23 / 28), because he would be going in and out of cryo whenever they need the Winter Soldier for the last few decades. 

More good timeline meta. I do find it interesting that they are making Steve and Natasha (and maybe Bucky) age contemporaries.

last-snowfall:

This is such a wonderful moment of Sam trying really hard to be a voice of (painful) wisdom and warning and caution and running face-first into Steve the Immovable Object who’s Not Hearing It. Welcome to the rest of your friendship, Sam! He’ll do this a lot.

I feel like this is when Sam meets the Steve that is at the heart of all stories. ‘The man who wouldn’t give up’ ‘The guy who rescued his best friend’, etc.  And when Sam gets his hands on the old SSR files, he’s going to see that guy all over again. This is the guy who said ‘I have them on the ropes’ at the start of CA:TFA. While I wouldn’t call this the dark side of Steve, I would say that this is one of those places where we get to see Steve’s flaws, that stubborn is a defining quality.

And then he and Bucky are going to go out for beers and stare morosely at the game because they won’t even need to talk about it. The Stubborn That Dare Not Speak Its Name.

Insert meta here

So I have read quite a bit of Winter Soldier fic since the movie came out and I’ve got a problem with some aspects of it. Let me preface this by saying all viewpoints are valid, especially for something like fan fiction – that’s the point of the thing, to bring your own perspective to it.  But I’m gonna rant anyway.

Bucky Barnes (and Steve Rogers) were soldiers in WWII. They were active duty commandos for something like two years depending on the timeline you choose to follow. Bucky was a sniper. I’ve known snipers, both in my time in the service and afterwards and there is a mindset there about it. While it is happening, it is a job. There isn’t guilt involved or you don’t stay a front line soldier for long. It kills you or gets beaten out of you by the situation. 

And don’t take my word for it. Dig up a copy of the Band of Brothers mini-series. The last episode in particular has some stuff in it that is relevant to this particular point (Bastogne is a great ep if you want to learn more about Bucky being platoon sergeant but that’s a different rant.). 

It is very much a ‘you or them’ situation when you’re out there with a weapon in your hand. Now. Does Bucky have the right to be a vengeful bastard because of HYDRA? Yes. No question. Loss of autonomy is a horrible thing. Is he going to be torn up about the deaths he caused? Maybe. I think he treasures life that any non psychotic person but I suspect he also knows that he can’t change the past and can only go forward from here. There is no doubt in my mind that the Bucky that fell from the train was a soldier and knew what his job was. There was a Winter Soldier in him or they couldn’t have drawn him out and I suspect he is the type of man that will own that.

I don’t think that Bucky is a woobie that thinks his death count means he isn’t worthy of breathing the same air as normal people. And the Steve Rogers we see in Winter Soldier wouldn’t think so either. Steve is a bit of an idealistic idiot but he’s not naive and he wanted all of HYDRA dead at the end of TFA. He had no compuction about killing aliens that were clearly sentient in Avengers and the ‘being Nick Fury’s garbage man’ certainly implies black or at least gray ops to me.

Pierce knows who the asset is and hates Steve Rogers

Yep, more WS meta.

So based on the bank vault scene ‘but I knew him’ it’s clear to both Pierce and the technicians (and Rumlow) that the asset is Bucky Barnes, zombie best friend of Steve Rogers. And having had to put up with Steve’s stubborn ass in SHIELD for the last few years, if only indirectly, I think there is a part of him that definitely wants to break Steve. The showdown scene in Pierce’s office is part pro-forma and part exposition. Schmidt and Zola couldn’t sway Steve Rogers, he has to try.  He tries, knowing he will fail and his ego just can’t handle it.

Pierce’s ego is what drives the earlier timeline in launching the helicarriers. He’s the Red Skull for the 21st century. The bombast saved for a smaller audience.

And using Bucky is the best way to break Steve Rogers. He makes the defeat personal for the final confrontation. He wants Steve to know exactly what they’ve done to Bucky. That they’ve wiped out his best friend and turned him into an enemy. It’s a brilliant bit of mind-fuckery even if in the end it doesn’t work.

cellardoortumbles:

the subtext in this scene KILLS ME Steve clearly WANTS Sam’s help but doesn’t want to be the one to ask him to do it Sam is joking at first
there’s a twinkle in his eyes as he says that ‘captain america’ needs him when he clearly means YOU you steve rogers need my help
and he’s more serious as he continues that there’s no better reason to get back in that he believes in this fight ‘I BELIEVE IN YOU SO HARD STEVE’
and Steve can’t even handle it he has to look away ‘HE BELIEVES IN ME SO HARD’ I CAN’T EVEN BOYS

I feel like this scene is an odd echo of the bar scene with Bucky where Bucky says he won’t follow Captain America but he’ll follow that kid from Brooklyn.

And you know at that point all Bucky wanted, really, was to get out.